Category talk:Factions

I've noticed that there are two different categories for factions: (Category: CBT factions), and (Category: Factions); and that some CBT factions (i.e the Federated Suns are on both. Should the categories be combined into one giant Factions category, or should the two stay seperate, with only non CBT factions such as the Republic of the Sphere in the latter category? --Workerbee 10:23, 4 June 2008 (CDT)

This situation had been created before I got here. The way you described is basically the way I have been doing it. --Scaletail 20:13, 4 June 2008 (CDT)

I have suggestion. Why not create Minor Factions. This would cover independant worlds, splinter groups like the Steel Wolves, Senate Alliance, Pirate nations, etc. That would keep big factions like FedSuns, Lyran Commonwealth, Comstar, etc from being mixed up with them. -- Wrangler 21:48, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm on the fence, there. I'd have to see some arguments for and against it. There's something to be said for ease of search (both for new and experienced readers) when opening up the most general category to peruse the contents. I guess I'd have no problems with 'additional' categories, as long as they were also provided for in the general ones. For example, Hendrik Grimm would be appropriate for a 'Pirate Nations' cat, I'd guess, but I'd absolutely expect to see him in the general 'Pirates' category (as well as the 'Periphery' category.--Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 22:38, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't think there are enough factions to warrant it. --Scaletail 00:38, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Oops; what I get for not reading the two posts before Wrangler's. I'm not one for separating factions between 'CBT' and, essentially, 'Other' sources. --Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 01:04, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

I have only just come across this problem but I am for merging the two pages. --Dmon 19:05, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Reorganization

I've just taken out all Periphery and Minor categories content to the root Category:Factions and also have create sub-categories for those factions that have additional information and not just a main article. This completes the first approach on this category page.--Pserratv (talk) 08:14, 22 August 2019 (EDT)

Factions vs Organizations

While doing this, a chat with DMON has given me some details maybe we should be all deciding upon: ++++++++ Hey PS,

Can't help but notice that you have gone utterly category mad lately and you are starting to venture into some areas I am a bit unsure about. The ARDC is one of them, I am not sure if it should have its own categories as such, was it ever declared an independent nation?--Dmon (talk) 06:02, 22 August 2019 (EDT)

Not to my knowledge, but the category if you see is related to a Faction, and Factions do not require states behind them, like "Democracy Now!". So the category groups a sort of semi-independent region/faction that existed within the Lyran Alliance and Lyran Commonwealth behind the wanning days (and not that waning) of the Clan Invasion. After completing the ramp up, I'll try to explain in the core page of Factions the rationale behind the changes.--Pserratv (talk) 06:05, 22 August 2019 (EDT)

I think I suggested on a talk page recently, maybe even to you that I think the time is drawing near where we need to seperate and define the difference between faction and nation because to me the ARDC, Democracy Now! and Black Dragon Society etc are all sub-factions within the larger faction of the nation state if that makes sense.--Dmon (talk) 06:09, 22 August 2019 (EDT)

Maybe this is the line between Factions and Organizations: Factions are Countries/States while organizations are social movements; sample: Lyran Alliance vs Brotherhood of Circinatus. A thing that needs its own thinking. Now I'm basically aligning the treatment of Factions: if they are there keep there unless they are individual planets and if they have their own "sub-categories", create a new one to group them. Once this is aligned, maybe I'll review against Organizations. Now I'm with Periphery and next is Minor Factions... and I don't like minor.--Pserratv (talk) 06:13, 22 August 2019 (EDT)

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The topic is Organizations vs Factions? What should we do? The actual definition for Organizations is: "Lists all organizations that are non-governmental and non-military in nature.", while there is none for Factions? What could be do? Any suggestion?