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−	* ('''Addressed''', but still open) There's one system missing from the Hyades Rim area (later 3040 Taurian Concordat space) called [[Eliat]]. It's a different system from [[Heliat]] and both appear on the Arano sourcebook map, page 12. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes|talk]]) 14:01, 31 August 2020 (EDT)	+	* ('''Received''') Personally, I miss a Map Legend link. Not all details are self-explanatory. That link should be placed with any individual map file but also in every system article, preferably included with the image's caption (maybe something similar to the "e" footnote going with system coordinates). [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 02:05, 18 January 2020 (EST)
−	** Good find! Coordinates have been extracted and I've added the system in the SUC Kit. Hopefully the editors will be able to use the data when they create an article entry for it, and when our resident map master gruese finds some free time he'd be able to update the affected maps, afterward Nic will be updating the Nearest Neighbors tables. Sorry for missing this one -[[User:Volt|Volt]] ([[User talk:Volt|talk]]) 21:42, 1 September 2020 (EDT)	+	* ('''Received''') I love the style of the new map, but I feel like the images compress the names too far to read on the actual planet page, necessitating a click through to the full file. would it be at all possible to have the initial image just contain the 30 light year circle and have the click through have the full 60, just to increase resolution within the space of the infor card? Or would that be the kind of thing that is simple to say but would be stupidly hard to implement? [[User:RasalhagueLibrarian|RasalhagueLibrarian]] ([[User talk:RasalhagueLibrarian|talk]]) 21:18, 18 January 2020 (EST)
−	*** As of this week, Gruese has generated the images for the entire Inner Sphere from the updated SUCKit; just waiting on Nic to re-populate the site and this can be closed.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 11:21, 20 May 2021 (EDT)	+	**In reply to RasalhagueLibrarian: The team discussed the range rings and unanimously (iirc) decided that the maps should include 30 and 60 ly rings, just like the old maps. That is the jump range of LF Battery-equipped ships, and was generally felt to be a good useable scale for orientation and navigation. I can't say much about the readability of the names, but I fear that's an intrinsic problem with the vector-based graphics of the .svg files. If the letters are scaled up we might encounter clutter problems in densely populated areas. Gruese would be the specialist for this question. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 05:47, 19 January 2020 (EST)
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−	* Looking at [[:Category:Escorpión Imperio Planets]], it appears there a number of (possibly) new systems that need to have maps added, maybe themselves added to the SUCKit. Noting here, notifying Volt myself. [[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 15:37, 30 April 2021 (EDT)
−	** ('''Addressed''', but still open) As of this week, Gruese has generated the images for the entire Inner Sphere from the updated SUCKit; just waiting on Nic to re-populate the site and this can be closed.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 11:21, 20 May 2021 (EDT)
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	** The OD team did discuss this, but it was decided that the (minor) space the explanation would take up wasn't seen as an advantage over the relatively quick realization that the colors indicated whether the neighboring systems were within the first 30 lightyears, the second (60 lys), or just outside the greatest jump (as indicated by the distance to each system). -[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 10:37, 19 January 2020 (EST)		** The OD team did discuss this, but it was decided that the (minor) space the explanation would take up wasn't seen as an advantage over the relatively quick realization that the colors indicated whether the neighboring systems were within the first 30 lightyears, the second (60 lys), or just outside the greatest jump (as indicated by the distance to each system). -[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 10:37, 19 January 2020 (EST)
−	===Other Feedback===	+	[[Category: Projects]]
−	* ('''Received''') I love the new map inserts, really great work by the team responsible. Now, how easy would it be to auto-generate "Political Affiliation" entries from the same data source? For example, Robinson's latest Political affiliation reads "3145 - Draconis Combine" but the map (circa 3151) shows it as part of the FedSuns again. -[[User:Jimmy the Tulip|Jimmy the Tulip]]
−	** Thank you for the feedback, JtT! We're definitely glad you like them. As to the Political Affiliations section, I imagine that might just be do-able. I'll forward this to Team OD. -[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 18:10, 21 January 2020 (EST)
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−	===Closed Matters===
−	====Maps====
−	* ('''Addressed''') The map misspells "The Aquila Rift" as "Acquila Rift". It also appears to be oversized when compared to the maps containing the Aquila Rift in Interstellar Expeditions.{{Unsigned|198.200.112.72|13:18, 19 January 2020‎}}
−	** In reply to 198.200.112.72: The OD team (actually, I believe the [[BattleTechWiki:Project Planets|Project: Planets]] team before that) decided not to make determiners like "the" an official part of a title, unless there was an exceptional reason. The mis-spelling, however, is a great catch. Sending both points to the team. -[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 17:17, 19 January 2020 (EST)
−	** Followup: the mis-spelling has been corrected and should be seen with the next update (in the next few days).--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 19:50, 30 January 2020 (EST)
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−	* ('''Closed''') [[Mizar]] does not appear to be assigned to any faction on the 3151 map. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes|talk]]) 20:37, 9 February 2020 (EST)
−	** That is correct, Mizar is an independent system in the 3151 map from Shattered Fortress. --[[User:Volt|Volt]] ([[User talk:Volt|talk]]) 19:10, 10 February 2020 (EST)
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−	* ('''Closed''') Personally, I miss a Map Legend link. Not all details are self-explanatory. That link should be placed with any individual map file but also in every system article, preferably included with the image's caption (maybe something similar to the "e" footnote going with system coordinates). [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 02:05, 18 January 2020 (EST)
−	** This has been discussed and agreed upon as a suggestion that provides improvement. A master legend has been created and team members are working to introduce it to the site. -[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 13:32, 26 January 2020 (EST)
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−	* ('''Closed''') I love the style of the new map, but I feel like the images compress the names too far to read on the actual planet page, necessitating a click through to the full file. would it be at all possible to have the initial image just contain the 30 light year circle and have the click through have the full 60, just to increase resolution within the space of the infor card? Or would that be the kind of thing that is simple to say but would be stupidly hard to implement? [[User:RasalhagueLibrarian|RasalhagueLibrarian]] ([[User talk:RasalhagueLibrarian|talk]]) 21:18, 18 January 2020 (EST)
−	**In reply to RasalhagueLibrarian: The team discussed the range rings and unanimously (iirc) decided that the maps should include 30 and 60 ly rings, just like the old maps. That is the jump range of LF Battery-equipped ships, and was generally felt to be a good useable scale for orientation and navigation. I can't say much about the readability of the names, but I fear that's an intrinsic problem with the vector-based graphics of the .svg files. If the letters are scaled up we might encounter clutter problems in densely populated areas. Gruese would be the specialist for this question. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 05:47, 19 January 2020 (EST)
−	**In reply to RasalhagueLibrarian: As a follow-up to your idea of clicking from one smaller range to the larger, Mediawiki (the software behind Sarna BTW) does not work that way. I definitely like the concept of your idea, and wished that it did, but the smaller thumbnail is limited to the actual (larger) image uploaded to the site, and cannot depict two different images. -[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 15:33, 26 January 2020 (EST)
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−	* ('''Closed''') Something I noticed on this map in particular: https://cfw.sarna.net/wiki/images/f/ff/Buchlau_3151.svg?timestamp=20200113141252 It seems like there's six "major capitals" clustered together, and nothing in the actual articles supporting that. A glitch in the SUCKit, maybe? --[[Special:Contributions/67.165.196.215|67.165.196.215]] 17:31, 24 January 2020 (EST)
−	**In reply to 67.165.196.215: Yup, this is a confirmed error in the SUCKit, and has been corrected. We are just collating more errors before regenerating v1.1 of the maps. That nasty error currently affects 181 maps. Yuck! -[[User:Volt|Volt]] ([[User talk:Volt|talk]]) 01:35, 25 January 2020 (EST)
−	**In reply to 67.165.196.215: Also, just wanted to be clear that we appreciate this report. The OD team (specifically Volt) is taking action because you identified it. Thank you. -[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 15:33, 26 January 2020 (EST)
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−	====Other Feedback====
−	* ('''Closed''') I feel that maps should be classified in a Category so they are not unclassified files, as this messes with the corresponding [https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Special:UncategorizedFiles Uncategorized files] page and makes is quite worthless. - [[User:pserratv|Pserratv]]
−	** Pserratv, looking at this and seeing a test sampling in [[:Category: System Maps]], has this been resolved to your satisfaction? [[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 15:35, 30 April 2021 (EDT)
−	***Yes Revanche. Perfect, it was perfect.--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 15:38, 30 April 2021 (EDT)
−	**** Excellent!--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 15:43, 30 April 2021 (EDT)
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'''Operation: Doneve''' is an off-shoot program of the long-term [[BattleTechWiki:Project Planets|Project Planets]] collaboration, and we're seeking the feedback from Sarna's editors in order to improve it. ==Background== Based on the tremendous efforts of both [[User:Gruese|Gruese]] and [[User:Volt|Volt]], two independent projects have been brought together to enhance each system/planet article on Sarna. Volt's much-vaunted Sarna Unified Cartography Kit (aka [[BattleTechWiki:System_coordinates#The_Extrapolation_Method_.28by_the_Sarna_Unified_Cartography_Society.29|SUCKit]]) used graphing applications to precisely determine the coordinates of canon locations, based upon the [[CGL]]-generated maps provided in many of their products. Gruese started a fan-tool for [[Harebrained Schemes]]' ''[[BattleTech (Video Game)|BattleTech]]'', to map the planets featured in that video game in relation to other canon worlds. Like the magic of Reese's Cups, it only made perfect sense to put those two together into something far more excellent. After about a year and a half of work by the Operation: Doneve team, our site owner and bureaucrat [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] (Nic Jansma) has taken the results of that collaboration and upgraded each and every system article with two features: * '''System Information map''': Sarna was originally populated (by Nic) with system articles dynamically created with system images based upon a set of (then) canon coordinates, though both the data and the process were stricken with many errors. These images are now updated with Volt's coordinates to properly reflect their true location and represented in the [[3151]] 'Later [[Dark Age]]' era. Each map provides 2 distance rings (30 and 60 lightyears), a 50 lightyear distance bar, and a small subset map showing the depicted region within the larger [[Inner Sphere]]. * '''Nearby Systems table''': this original feature has also been updated, to indicate all the systems within 2 [[Kearny-Fuchida Drive|Jumps]] of the article's system, listed in the order of distance. A third phase to follow will provide a scroll-able, slideshow gallery of the above maps, starting with the [[Age of War]], through the Dark Age era. ==Feedback== Two sub-sections are provided below. The Operation: Doneve team would appreciate your error discoveries and suggestions in the appropriate section. A project moderator will pass these on to the appropriate specialist or sub-team (as appropriate) for discussion and/or action. This feedback period will remain open-ended, so please feel free to return here with new input. ===Maps=== * ('''Received''') Personally, I miss a Map Legend link. Not all details are self-explanatory. That link should be placed with any individual map file but also in every system article, preferably included with the image's caption (maybe something similar to the "e" footnote going with system coordinates). [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 02:05, 18 January 2020 (EST) * ('''Received''') I love the style of the new map, but I feel like the images compress the names too far to read on the actual planet page, necessitating a click through to the full file. would it be at all possible to have the initial image just contain the 30 light year circle and have the click through have the full 60, just to increase resolution within the space of the infor card? Or would that be the kind of thing that is simple to say but would be stupidly hard to implement? [[User:RasalhagueLibrarian|RasalhagueLibrarian]] ([[User talk:RasalhagueLibrarian|talk]]) 21:18, 18 January 2020 (EST) **In reply to RasalhagueLibrarian: The team discussed the range rings and unanimously (iirc) decided that the maps should include 30 and 60 ly rings, just like the old maps. That is the jump range of LF Battery-equipped ships, and was generally felt to be a good useable scale for orientation and navigation. I can't say much about the readability of the names, but I fear that's an intrinsic problem with the vector-based graphics of the .svg files. If the letters are scaled up we might encounter clutter problems in densely populated areas. Gruese would be the specialist for this question. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 05:47, 19 January 2020 (EST) ===Nearby Systems tables=== * ('''Example''') These are really great, but can we have an explanation, like a legend, for the three different colors that can appear on the table? -[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] ^{([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])} 10:37, 19 January 2020 (EST) ** The OD team did discuss this, but it was decided that the (minor) space the explanation would take up wasn't seen as an advantage over the relatively quick realization that the colors indicated whether the neighboring systems were within the first 30 lightyears, the second (60 lys), or just outside the greatest jump (as indicated by the distance to each system). -[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] ^{([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])} 10:37, 19 January 2020 (EST) [[Category: Projects]]

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