Editing Talk:Corsair (BattleMech)

== Corsair "official" record sheet  ==

I saw that Spacegy4 added data from record sheet. I would like to ask, what source should be more proper - from MwO itself (since it's a exclusive Mech of this game) or said RS.  [[User:ManganMan|ManganMan]] ([[User talk:ManganMan|talk]]) 05:49, 3 December 2018 (EST)

:In this instance, I'd argue that the record sheet takes precedence as it appears to be an official product, and is the most recent source, but [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] is our canonicity expert. If there are differences between the two, I'd expect the one that's most recent and closest to canon to take primacy, with the differences between source noted in the article. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 06:08, 3 December 2018 (EST)

:Is that record sheet an official release? Or was it just made up by someone for the con?--[[User:Cache|Cache]] ([[User talk:Cache|talk]]) 08:03, 3 December 2018 (EST)

::I guess it's made just for the Mech_Con. I could try to recreate all the variants in MegaMekLab. [[User:ManganMan|ManganMan]] ([[User talk:ManganMan|talk]]) 08:28, 3 December 2018 (EST)

:::The full sheet with a little info on where he got it was posted by NeonKnight on the BT forum: [https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=63650.msg1463957#msg1463957 Here]--[[User:Cache|Cache]] ([[User talk:Cache|talk]]) 18:13, 3 December 2018 (EST)

== Intro date ==

I have removed the intro date because although the current in game year is 3063, the fluff dates at least one "Corsair" as 3037 and given the use of the term as more of a classification than a specific design there may not ever be a proper fixed intro dste.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 08:07, 4 December 2018 (EST)
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 == Corsair "official" record sheet  ==
 I saw that Spacegy4 added data from record sheet. I would like to ask, what source should be more proper - from MwO itself (since it's a exclusive Mech of this game) or said RS.  [[User:ManganMan|ManganMan]] ([[User talk:ManganMan|talk]]) 05:49, 3 December 2018 (EST)
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 :::The full sheet with a little info on where he got it was posted by NeonKnight on the BT forum: [https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=63650.msg1463957#msg1463957 Here]--[[User:Cache|Cache]] ([[User talk:Cache|talk]]) 18:13, 3 December 2018 (EST)
-::::Annnnnnnnd its no longer official. Sorta Kinda. With interesting implications.[[User:Cyc|Cyc]] ([[User talk:Cyc|talk]]) 16:31, 7 December 2018 (EST)
-:::::CGL do sadly seem to be making an effort to not work with the other people working on the IP.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 17:31, 7 December 2018 (EST)
-::::::I think that's a poor assumption to make. The IP's are owned by Topps and Microsoft. What can and can't be used in either is determined '''by them'''. Agreed on the implications of the statement: [https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=63650.msg1464943#msg1464943 CGL cannot use the PGI-created designs, no matter what “part” CGL or its employees play in the creation of the designs].
-:::::::That makes it sound like the Video game people can use what they want from the IP but CGL can't. '''Or''' CGL are unwilling to use stuff for fear of accusations. I feel the second option is the most likely given the history of the IP.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 19:22, 7 December 2018 (EST)
 == Intro date ==
-I have removed the intro date because although the current in game year is 3063, the fluff dates at least one "Corsair" as 3037 and given the use of the term as more of a classification than a specific design there may not ever be a proper fixed intro date.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 08:07, 4 December 2018 (EST)
-:My thoughts exactly. The RS date didn't make any sense to me. I would generally suggest to keep the Mechwarrior Online values, until fully canon sourcebook or similar publication appear.  [[User:ManganMan|ManganMan]] ([[User talk:ManganMan|talk]]) 10:16, 4 December 2018 (EST)
-==Proper 'Mech design?==
-There seems to be a disconnect between the (canonical) fluff by Randall Bills and the PGI marketing. The fluff describes the ''Ravager'' as a unique 95t FrankenMech, one of the sub-type of FrankenMechs called "Corsairs" - a word used for heavy and assault 'Mechs, according to the fluff. It even spells out explicitly that "no exact weight or chassis applies".
-By contrast, PGI is selling no less than seven different 'Mechs, all called ''Corsair'' and with a COR-xx alphanumerical code, as if "Corsair" was a regular 'Mech model rolling off an assembly line somewhere. They're all 95 tons, and all of similar and obviously related design. Going by the fluff, they could be assumed to be different versions of the same individual ''Ravager'' FrankenMech; and perhaps the alphanumerical code was given to the thing when copycat models started to show up. Or can anyone come up with a better explanation? [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 11:18, 4 December 2018 (EST)
-:the way I have been thinking of it is similar to the way that the OmniMech variants are handled, the Prime, A, B etc system actually based on Inner Sphere observations of how often certain models would show up during the Invasion. With Prime being the designation given to the most common variant. I believe the IM Mods are something similar, but much looser definitions based on weapon loadouts. The COR-5T is a 95t 'Mech mounting 6 AC/2s but a COR-4T could be a 90t 'Mech mounting 6 AC/2s and the fact all models we have are 95t is more a game mechanic/marketing/modeling issue than a fluff consideration.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 12:10, 4 December 2018 (EST)
-::It just occurred to me that technically, only the "Lore" fiction piece by Randall Bills and the information therein (namely, the Ravager) are canon while the other variants are all apocryphal. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 13:12, 4 December 2018 (EST)
-I thought that during Jake stay in Oberon VI, there would be a  attempt to examine the Ravager for reverse engineering. Then, the downgraded version would be produced somewhere in planet, and then (probably after his death) attempted to create the new "variants", possibly also based on some other "Corsairs", but keeping on the Ravager's "chassis" for some kind of standardization.
-Of course, it's just a theory.
-I also wondered about Corsair's CT and LA, clearly taken from Roughneck's CT and LT, which it's part was repurposed as the arm. Of course, we could assume that it was a Loader King, per Roughneck's lore.  [[User:ManganMan|ManganMan]] ([[User talk:ManganMan|talk]]) 15:04, 4 December 2018 (EST)
+I have removed the intro date because although the current in game year is 3063, the fluff dates at least one "Corsair" as 3037 and given the use of the term as more of a classification than a specific design there may not ever be a proper fixed intro dste.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 08:07, 4 December 2018 (EST)