Editing Talk:Orca (BattleMech)

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==Non-canon vs. canon==
Just tossing this out there. The OC-1X Orca is the canon incarnation from [Experimental Technical Readout: Republic, Volume 2]].
Will this be merged into this listing or will it become a separate listing?[[Special:Contributions/76.106.155.54|76.106.155.54]] 14:14, 20 July 2015 (PDT)
:The 'Mech described in XTRO: Republic II is pretty much the same 'Mech so I reckon this non-canonical april fools joke was eventually canonized. Under that premise, I'd say there should only be one single article - it's discussing the same subject matter after all. If nobody else does it in the meantime then I'll eventually update the article myself. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 02:17, 22 July 2015 (PDT)
:::I have to disagree. I am perhaps a minority in this matter.  If someone wants to be be able look up april fools version of the mech, they should be able have a article dedicated to that.  The Orca that was featured in XTRO: Republic II is it's own animal, with April Fools components mentioned as in-universe rumor, but truth a joke.  Please keep these things separate, people are going remember the April Fools thing than actual new entry.  I rather see them kept that way for people returning to the game or want remember the past.  Please keep it separate. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] ([[User talk:Wrangler|talk]]) 04:42, 22 July 2015 (PDT)
::::When you look closely, it's exactly the same design. They literally took the april fools joke design and canonized it. The "anti-personnell laser" was translated into a Small X-Pulse Laser. Since there is no difference, I fail to see the purpose of a separate article on the ''Orca'''s previous iteration an an april fools product. (Just to be clear, of course the ''Orca'' article would point out that the design started as just a joke before it became canon.) [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 06:55, 23 July 2015 (PDT)
:::::Though I know nothing on the subject, I'd agree with Frabby at this point. Would make more sense to keep it condensed. The april fool's joke could be mentioned in a Notes section or something. -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 14:18, 23 July 2015 (PDT)
:::::::Okay then.  Majority rules here.  When things come up and i have the opporunity, i will re-write the article and add the April Fools information in Notes section. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] ([[User talk:Wrangler|talk]]) 03:57, 24 July 2015 (PDT)
::::::::I uploaded the image from ''XTRO: Republic 2'', but did not add it to the page.  If someone gets around to the rewrite, here's the link: http://www.sarna.net/wiki/File:OC-1X_Orca_XTRORepublic2.jpg --[[User:Cache|Cache]] ([[User talk:Cache|talk]]) 20:17, 13 August 2015 (PDT)
:::::::::Sorry for interrupting, but there is a news about this mech from IWM: https://ironwindmetals.com/index.php/13-battletech/44-orca-oc-1x-superheavy-mech-at-gen-con-2016 (source: https://ironwindmetals.com/index.php/10-factory-news/42-2016-convention-specials).[[User:ManganMan|ManganMan]] ([[User talk:ManganMan|talk]]) 06:33, 25 July 2016 (PDT)

Consolidated the two articles into a single article covering the now-canonical version and the old April Fools joke. Good work on the article ManganMan! [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 07:42, 30 July 2016 (PDT)
:Thanks a lot Frabby, it was a quite difficult work, especially that my writing style is quite sub-par for the Wiki use. [[User:ManganMan|ManganMan]] ([[User talk:ManganMan|talk]]) 06:56, 31 July 2016 (PDT)

== Price Tag ==


With time a price tag estimate can be calculated, it would be a non-cannon estimate but likely would be fairly accurate given time. It also can help reflect on why the Orca was discontinued in common use. Yunck 08:35, 5 July 2018 (EDT)
:I think the general rule ofvthumb is we don't do the math on things like this, we use published figures only. Fluff we have a bit of leeway but hard figures are a different matter.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 11:03, 3 July 2018 (EDT)

Hmm, true. I guess it would be a non-cannon estimate, but I still am fairly confident I could get a rough estimate...
Yunck 08:35, 5 July 2018 (EDT)

I fetched the price tag using MegaMekLab version 0.45.2; although I saw that the Orca have a one free ton(ne) to use... [[User:ManganMan|ManganMan]] ([[User talk:ManganMan|talk]]) 16:49, 6 February 2019 (EST)
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 With time a price tag estimate can be calculated, it would be a non-cannon estimate but likely would be fairly accurate given time. It also can help reflect on why the Orca was discontinued in common use. Yunck 08:35, 5 July 2018 (EDT)
-:I think the general rule of thumb is we don't do the math on things like this, we use published figures only. Fluff we have a bit of leeway but hard figures are a different matter.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 11:03, 3 July 2018 (EDT)
+:I think the general rule ofvthumb is we don't do the math on things like this, we use published figures only. Fluff we have a bit of leeway but hard figures are a different matter.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 11:03, 3 July 2018 (EDT)
 Hmm, true. I guess it would be a non-cannon estimate, but I still am fairly confident I could get a rough estimate...
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 I fetched the price tag using MegaMekLab version 0.45.2; although I saw that the Orca have a one free ton(ne) to use... [[User:ManganMan|ManganMan]] ([[User talk:ManganMan|talk]]) 16:49, 6 February 2019 (EST)
-:Thing is.. per my last reply to Yunck, anything put into MegaMekLab will still officially be counted as not official even if the maths looks right (if it is underweight then it is nit right). So I am going to have to roll back your edit rather than have info we know to be wrong.
-[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 18:28, 6 February 2019 (EST)