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Line 27: ::Almost every article related to Thomas Halas and his children now contradict the source material (over the name Marik,) Almost all source material referring to Thomas Marik is referring to Thomas Halas, and "in-universe", knowing The Master's identity is likely to get somebody killed. The current convention fills the search box with spoilers, and contradicts source material. I would suggest that the page Thomas Marik should be about the character most often referred to in source material as Thomas Marik, and The Master should be the page dealing with the "real" Thomas Marik. Also, the Halas-Hughes naming of Thomas Halas' children and grandchildren now ALSO contradicts source material AND adds more search spoilers. The current over-correction is 100% Grog, and likely to confuse people reading a novel or sourcebook.{{Unsigned| 35.136.254.143}} ::Almost every article related to Thomas Halas and his children now contradict the source material (over the name Marik,) Almost all source material referring to Thomas Marik is referring to Thomas Halas, and "in-universe", knowing The Master's identity is likely to get somebody killed. The current convention fills the search box with spoilers, and contradicts source material. I would suggest that the page Thomas Marik should be about the character most often referred to in source material as Thomas Marik, and The Master should be the page dealing with the "real" Thomas Marik. Also, the Halas-Hughes naming of Thomas Halas' children and grandchildren now ALSO contradicts source material AND adds more search spoilers. The current over-correction is 100% Grog, and likely to confuse people reading a novel or sourcebook.{{Unsigned| 35.136.254.143}} :::All honesty, I think it is a bit late for spoilers on this topic, it has been out in the wild for over a decade. And the Halas-Hughes naming of his kids was done by me for purposes of making the family tree articles work, nothing to do with being a grog. The whole thing is a tangled mess no matter how you cut it, so we are trying to make it as workable as we can.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 08:30, 23 March 2023 (EDT) :::All honesty, I think it is a bit late for spoilers on this topic, it has been out in the wild for over a decade. And the Halas-Hughes naming of his kids was done by me for purposes of making the family tree articles work, nothing to do with being a grog. The whole thing is a tangled mess no matter how you cut it, so we are trying to make it as workable as we can.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 08:30, 23 March 2023 (EDT) − ::::The point is that the "Real" and "False" Thomas Marik flow together to an extent where it is impossible to distinguish them. I feel the article as is captures it perfectly: He acted through the double after the 3035 bomb blast, i.e. the political actions carried out by the double were either directed by Thomas Marik or approved by him, i.e. they were either directly or indirectly the true Thomas Marik's actions. And then there was a gradual process of Thomas Marik withdrawing from the Thomas Marik persona and leaving it more and more in the hands of his double, until the real Thomas Marik was only The Master and his double acted ever more independently in Thomas Marik's name, assuming the identity fully to the point of clashing with The Master later on. The tipping point for all anyone can tell would probably have been around 3054, as shown in the underappreciated ''[[Ideal War]]''. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 11:59, 23 March 2023 (EDT) == Pictures == == Pictures == + I am 90% sure that the pic at the top is supposed to be "Fake" Thomas/Thomas Halas. IIRC, "Real" Thomas was a cyborg after the explosion, to the point where Paul Marik didn't even consider putting "Real" Thomas back on the throne. Does anyone disagree? [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] I am 90% sure that the pic at the top is supposed to be "Fake" Thomas/Thomas Halas. IIRC, "Real" Thomas was a cyborg after the explosion, to the point where Paul Marik didn't even consider putting "Real" Thomas back on the throne. Does anyone disagree? [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] : Agree. That picture is of the "Fake" from Masters & Minions. Try Brush Wars for a picture of the real one before the bombing, and Masters & Minions WoB section for the Master. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 18:44, 12 March 2010 (UTC) : Agree. That picture is of the "Fake" from Masters & Minions. Try Brush Wars for a picture of the real one before the bombing, and Masters & Minions WoB section for the Master. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 18:44, 12 March 2010 (UTC) ::Oh there are plenty of pics of Thomas from pre-bombing. The House book, the Succession Wars boxed set, and the places you mentioned. I didn't know M&M had a CURRENT pic (as I don't have it). It would be cool if someone could post that... [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] ::Oh there are plenty of pics of Thomas from pre-bombing. The House book, the Succession Wars boxed set, and the places you mentioned. I didn't know M&M had a CURRENT pic (as I don't have it). It would be cool if someone could post that... [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] :::Give me some page numbers then i uploade the pics.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 07:08, 7 January 2014 (PST) :::Give me some page numbers then i uploade the pics.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 07:08, 7 January 2014 (PST)
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::Almost every article related to Thomas Halas and his children now contradict the source material (over the name Marik,) Almost all source material referring to Thomas Marik is referring to Thomas Halas, and "in-universe", knowing The Master's identity is likely to get somebody killed. The current convention fills the search box with spoilers, and contradicts source material. I would suggest that the page Thomas Marik should be about the character most often referred to in source material as Thomas Marik, and The Master should be the page dealing with the "real" Thomas Marik. Also, the Halas-Hughes naming of Thomas Halas' children and grandchildren now ALSO contradicts source material AND adds more search spoilers. The current over-correction is 100% Grog, and likely to confuse people reading a novel or sourcebook.{{Unsigned| 35.136.254.143}} | ::Almost every article related to Thomas Halas and his children now contradict the source material (over the name Marik,) Almost all source material referring to Thomas Marik is referring to Thomas Halas, and "in-universe", knowing The Master's identity is likely to get somebody killed. The current convention fills the search box with spoilers, and contradicts source material. I would suggest that the page Thomas Marik should be about the character most often referred to in source material as Thomas Marik, and The Master should be the page dealing with the "real" Thomas Marik. Also, the Halas-Hughes naming of Thomas Halas' children and grandchildren now ALSO contradicts source material AND adds more search spoilers. The current over-correction is 100% Grog, and likely to confuse people reading a novel or sourcebook.{{Unsigned| 35.136.254.143}} | ||
:::All honesty, I think it is a bit late for spoilers on this topic, it has been out in the wild for over a decade. And the Halas-Hughes naming of his kids was done by me for purposes of making the family tree articles work, nothing to do with being a grog. The whole thing is a tangled mess no matter how you cut it, so we are trying to make it as workable as we can.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 08:30, 23 March 2023 (EDT) | :::All honesty, I think it is a bit late for spoilers on this topic, it has been out in the wild for over a decade. And the Halas-Hughes naming of his kids was done by me for purposes of making the family tree articles work, nothing to do with being a grog. The whole thing is a tangled mess no matter how you cut it, so we are trying to make it as workable as we can.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 08:30, 23 March 2023 (EDT) | ||
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I am 90% sure that the pic at the top is supposed to be "Fake" Thomas/Thomas Halas. IIRC, "Real" Thomas was a cyborg after the explosion, to the point where Paul Marik didn't even consider putting "Real" Thomas back on the throne. Does anyone disagree? [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] | I am 90% sure that the pic at the top is supposed to be "Fake" Thomas/Thomas Halas. IIRC, "Real" Thomas was a cyborg after the explosion, to the point where Paul Marik didn't even consider putting "Real" Thomas back on the throne. Does anyone disagree? [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] | ||
: Agree. That picture is of the "Fake" from Masters & Minions. Try Brush Wars for a picture of the real one before the bombing, and Masters & Minions WoB section for the Master. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 18:44, 12 March 2010 (UTC) | : Agree. That picture is of the "Fake" from Masters & Minions. Try Brush Wars for a picture of the real one before the bombing, and Masters & Minions WoB section for the Master. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 18:44, 12 March 2010 (UTC) | ||
::Oh there are plenty of pics of Thomas from pre-bombing. The House book, the Succession Wars boxed set, and the places you mentioned. I didn't know M&M had a CURRENT pic (as I don't have it). It would be cool if someone could post that... [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] | ::Oh there are plenty of pics of Thomas from pre-bombing. The House book, the Succession Wars boxed set, and the places you mentioned. I didn't know M&M had a CURRENT pic (as I don't have it). It would be cool if someone could post that... [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] | ||
:::Give me some page numbers then i uploade the pics.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 07:08, 7 January 2014 (PST) | :::Give me some page numbers then i uploade the pics.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 07:08, 7 January 2014 (PST) | ||