Policy Talk:Images
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| The following is an archived discussion of the included proposal. Please do not modify it. | ||||||
Policy creationGallery testGenerally there should only be one image of the unit in the infobox. If there are more images you'd like to add to the page feel free to do so, but remember that it's easy to overload the page. For this reason please try to put the images below the text content of the page. If there are more than four images (It seemed like a nice number), the images are very large, or you just want the page to look nice, please consider adding a "Gallery" section to the page. This will do a few things:
To create a Gallery, all you need to do is edit your page and include this code: ====Gallery==== <gallery> File:IMAGEFILENAME|Image caption text File:IMAGEFILENAME|Image caption text. </gallery> The Warhammer page uses this method to bring the images together. Here's the code: ====Gallery==== <gallery> File:WarhammerInternalSchematics.jpg|The internal schematics of a ''Warhammer''. Note the pilot on the right. File:Warhammer.jpg|''Warhammer'' from the cover of the original box set. </gallery> And here's what it looks like: Gallery
DiscussionThis is just a sample to kick off a discussion. It isn't actual policy yet, even though that word appears in the header. (I did this so User:Revanche could take a break from writing policies for a while.) Please feel free to add comments to this page, but please do so ABOVE the "gallery test" heading. Thanks! To Be Discussed
CommentsOkay, first off, I think Wikipedia's image use policy is a must read for research purposes. A number of their policies have to do with copyright issues, which are different for us. In the interest of not reinventing the wheel, I think we should use:
--Scaletail 00:25, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
Guidelines, Take Two
I'm going to expand these soon, but I wanted to get my thoughts down before they run away. I used the numbered list to make it easier for editors to comment. (Personally I find it easier to say "I don't agree with rule 7.1" than "I don't agree with the tenth bullet item." or whatever.) --Mbear 14:09, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
Copyright TagsWikipedia has a lot of image copyright tags that automatically add the license of the image to the upload. Does anyone know if BTW has these (or something similar)?--Mbear 16:03, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
Nutshell content
Any changes I should make?--Mbear 19:29, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
StatusMbear, it appears that the policy discussion is winding down. If you agree, I'll write up a consensus review for the decision phase, as the final step before the policy is written. --Revanche (talk|contribs) 11:21, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
Possible Image Policy PageBased on the feedback I've received, I put together the following sample showing what would appear on the Policy:Images page.--Mbear 14:15, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
Guidelines
GalleriesFor pages with an infobox and a lot of images please consider adding a "Gallery" section to the page. This will do a few things:
Using a gallery is particularly useful on pages where the unit has many variants and images of them, like the Warhammer page. To create a Gallery, all you need to do is edit your page and include this code: ====Gallery==== <gallery> File:IMAGEFILENAME|Image caption text File:IMAGEFILENAME|Image caption text. </gallery> The Warhammer page uses this method to bring the images together. Here's the code: ====Gallery==== <gallery> File:WarhammerInternalSchematics.jpg|The internal schematics of a ''Warhammer''. Note the pilot on the right. File:Warhammer.jpg|''Warhammer'' from the cover of the original box set. </gallery> And here's what it looks like: Gallery
Consensus ReviewConsensus of this emerging policy has led to the following conclusions:
Consensus Support/Non-SupportPlease state either your support or non-support for this policy, per the listed "Consensus Review" points:
Consensus Summary: Proposal passes. Closed on 06 April 2010 | ||||||
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| The above is an archived discussion of the included proposal. Please do not modify it. |
Thumbnails
Speaking only for myself, I really hate having the thumbnail images that just float around part of the article. Drives me absolutely insane.--Mbear 11:54, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
- I can live with that (your insanity). Personally, when well-done, I do like them. That's why I move some to better fit next to the item they visualize. And don't think I didn't notice that you brought this up minutes (minutes!) before I was announcing the new policy. --Revanche (talk|contribs) 12:00, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
- Yeah, I figured you were OK with me going nuts. I tried to remove the floating thumbnails by encouraging the use of a gallery, but oh well.--Mbear 14:37, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
- "If it weren't for those meddling kids..." Seriously, though, I'm gonna go live with the policy here shortly and if we had wanted (which this we doesn't) to cut out thumbnails, we should have said just that. But, with so many Wikipedians here, I think you'll find people who favor thumbnails as informative visuals. The gallerys seem like a good place for "Oh, by the way, here are some more images of a Warhammer". --Revanche (talk|contribs) 15:30, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
- Yeah, I figured you were OK with me going nuts. I tried to remove the floating thumbnails by encouraging the use of a gallery, but oh well.--Mbear 14:37, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
Providing sources
I don't know if this belongs to this policy or not (please discuss), but we obviously need to stress it more that pictures need to have their source stated upon uploading (preferably in the comments section on the file page). This appears not to be the case for a great many pictures uploaded so far, and citing sources is very important for the credibility of this wiki - all the more considering that fan art is positively allowed here, so me must be extra cautious to provide full references. Frabby 17:31, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
- Nutshell #2 & Guideline #5 state just that. Maybe we need a user warning template aimed at the user who has uploaded images past the policy's unveiling. I'm loathe to hit every image uploaded in the last 3.5 years with a tag, especially as they wouldn't be seen as easily as {{cn}} is in an article.--Revanche (talk|contribs) 18:01, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
- Should teach me to read before I write - plainly overlooked this at first glance. Well, as it turns out the entire image gallery was apparently ripped from an unsourced site that took its pics from various computer games (= apocrypha) and all over the internet otherwise (= default to Fanon). Putting aside the question whether or not having pretty pictures for no particular reason (and bar any BT-related information or context) is in itself desirable on BTW, I fear this just proves that we *do* have to tag each and every picture from the past 3.5 years. Quality over quantity... Frabby 18:08, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
- Well, Wikipedia does it, so...
- Ahem, [cough, cough]...will you be building the template? I'll be glad to assist however I can and can review the wording, if you like. --Revanche (talk|contribs) 18:24, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
- Image files are a different animal from articles, because they are typically uploaded only once and never modified/edited by others. Past experience also shows that often a single editor will upload a load of images in a short timeframe as personal project of theirs. So the "right" way to address this would be a friendly reminder on the editor's talk page for all of "his" images together. Not sure if/how a template would be of use here.
- My proposal is to change the Upload File special page in some way to the effect that a file will not be uploaded if you don't enter text into its "Summary" box, and make it clear in the text on the upload page that BTW wants (requires) a primary source to be stated with every image file upload. (I think we need NicJ to do that tough). Frabby 09:31, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
- I think that is something that can actually done by Admins, with CSS. I'll pull Ebakunin into this. Oh, and I like this idea better than another template. --Revanche (talk|contribs) 11:07, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
- What I can do is embed code for a template into the textarea of the upload page. That way, going forward, the uploader will need to fill out the template before uploading the image. The template will look something like the summary section of this page: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/File:Viper_probe_droid.jpg. However, I can't go back and apply the template to older pictures. --Ebakunin (talk|contribs) 14:46, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
- Excellent, Ebakunin. Thanks!--Revanche (talk|contribs) 11:36, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
- Done. You can see an example here. Go to the Upload a file page and you'll see the template in the textarea, ready to be filled out. If you have any questions or suggestions ask away. Thanks.--Ebakunin (talk|contribs) 21:22, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
- It looks great and provides an easy format for the uploader. Great turnaround time, too. Thanks. Is there anyway to prevent uploading when the format is not used? --Revanche (talk|contribs) 23:27, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
- Never mind. It was easier then I thought.
--Ebakunin (talk|contribs) 03:22, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
- Done. You can see an example here. Go to the Upload a file page and you'll see the template in the textarea, ready to be filled out. If you have any questions or suggestions ask away. Thanks.--Ebakunin (talk|contribs) 21:22, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
- Excellent, Ebakunin. Thanks!--Revanche (talk|contribs) 11:36, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
- What I can do is embed code for a template into the textarea of the upload page. That way, going forward, the uploader will need to fill out the template before uploading the image. The template will look something like the summary section of this page: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/File:Viper_probe_droid.jpg. However, I can't go back and apply the template to older pictures. --Ebakunin (talk|contribs) 14:46, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
- I think that is something that can actually done by Admins, with CSS. I'll pull Ebakunin into this. Oh, and I like this idea better than another template. --Revanche (talk|contribs) 11:07, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
- Should teach me to read before I write - plainly overlooked this at first glance. Well, as it turns out the entire image gallery was apparently ripped from an unsourced site that took its pics from various computer games (= apocrypha) and all over the internet otherwise (= default to Fanon). Putting aside the question whether or not having pretty pictures for no particular reason (and bar any BT-related information or context) is in itself desirable on BTW, I fear this just proves that we *do* have to tag each and every picture from the past 3.5 years. Quality over quantity... Frabby 18:08, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
