User talk:Ocherstone

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References in Headers

Hey, just a note: while I don't have a specific policy or procedure to point to, it's generally considered poor practice to put references in headers. They are better put at the end of the text that the reference applies to. Thanks!--Talvin (talk) 15:21, 28 June 2022 (EDT)

Dark Wing Cluster

Hiya, I'm a bit confused as to why you moved Dark Wing Cluster (Clan Jade Falcon) to Jade Solahma (Clan Jade Falcon)? Can you provide some context? Also, the article text still treats the subject as named Dark Wing and discusses that name, which needs to be adjusted if the move remains. Frabby (talk) 03:00, 4 September 2022 (EDT)

I will lead with people questioning wiki edits often seem...annoyed to me. Defensiveness, irritated at being questioned, whatever it is, I don't intend to for my response to read negatively either. You asked for context, so take the following as such, please. The Dark Wing Cluster fights and ends. They're stated as "old" and "tested-out" warriors in the Irregulars Scenario. It is not then found in the Jade Falcon Sourcebook or ERA 3052. Solahmas are called Dark Wing Clusters. That they are related is not a leap, though I believe you know as well as I do that it won't be found anywhere that they are explicitly the same. Could there be two Clusters of washed up warriors in a premier front line Jade Falcon Galaxy? Sure. That seems to go in the face of what we know. I think think the much more likely explanation is they're the same. Personally, I like that they are a Dark Wing when given a mission to go die on. But that doesn't fit with FM: Crusaders saying the Solahma Clusters are "Dark Wing" designated. If they are to be reverted, a lot of the information that I simply combined from the two (with little care for making them fit perfectly, admittedly) isn't clearly stated either, such as The Dark Wing's position in The Jade Falcon Galaxy. If an explicit source is going to be required, then so be it. Granted, I took a gamble. Ocherstone (talk) 10:47, 4 September 2022 (EDT)

Drake Allin

Hey, I noticed that you added "Drake Allin" to the Allin (Bloodname) article a couple of years back, but I tried checking the reference you provided and I don't see any mention of them there. There's no "Drake Allin" on p. 40 of Invading Clans. Any chance you remember where you originally found them? --Arthinas (talk) 18:26, 26 November 2022 (EST)

I'm trying to go back through my sources. I wouldn't just conjure that, but beats me where I actually saw it. I have a memory of a phonebook-like listing of him, but Wolf and Jade Falcon sourcebooks come up empty. I'll keep searching though. I have a note in my personal file that he's an Elemental, but again, no source or proof. Ocherstone (talk)

Star Colonel stuff

Hey Ocherstone,

I was just reading the stuff you added to the Star Colonel article, whilst interesting I do not really think it is in the right place. I think it would be better situated in the Trial of Position article as the info is more about the ritual than the rank itself.--Dmon (talk) 16:37, 23 January 2023 (EST)

Grand plan for Clan Naval Forces

Hey Ocherstone,

Just wondering if there is a larger plan for the Clan Naval Forces you are splitting off. As is, I am not convinced that the split off articles are an improvement on what we already had. I do think that naval forces should be treated as a seperate branch of a nations military with both the Clans and the Inner Sphere BUT I think we need a better format than the current datadump style.--Dmon (talk) 14:24, 16 February 2023 (EST)

If it needs to be with the touman pages, that's fine. In my view, ground forces are seen through the timeline and there's not a great way to do that with naval forces besides listing them repeatedly. If they're going to be shown, which I think is valuable as a snapshot into the forces available each era, then this was my best option, without increasing the length of each's touman listing an insane amount. Ocherstone (talk) 19:51, 16 February 2023 (EST)

Hey Ocherstone,

Just a heads up that I took out the list of naval units from the Raven Alliance article. realistically having a datadump list on the nation page and a link to a an identicle datadump list article doesn't make sense. So I have left the link so we can develop the seperate list into a proper "navy" article. I trust given your last reply about not repeating the lists the ultimate goal is something similar to the Draconis Combine Admiralty article.--Dmon (talk) 17:17, 24 February 2023 (EST)

I was keeping it there until I fixed the Touman page. I'm just updating to the last date on the Force listing page and hadn't noticed the ground forces were updated to 3145. I moved and replaced to the latest date right after.Ocherstone (talk) 17:23, 24 February 2023 (EST)

Ok no problem. Also as a side question, do you know if the Clans ever use the term "Navy" for their naval branch or is "Naval Reserve" the official name?--Dmon (talk) 17:28, 24 February 2023 (EST)

Naval Force or Naval Assets for their overall forces. I've never seen "Navy" all by itself. Reserve is always used for a Home or Garrison Fleet (or entire fleet if they only use for defense), and Adjective (Assault, Attack, Strike) Squadron or (Adj) Naval Star. I'm sure there's some variance we can find, but I can say no solo "Navy" anywhere unless used as "black-water navy." Ocherstone (talk) 17:36, 24 February 2023 (EST)

edit: See, I say that and then double check: the Cloud Cobras say in FM: WC "...we field a considerable navy." So, shit. So not as a title, but still. Ocherstone (talk) 17:41, 24 February 2023 (EST)

Hell the whole clan naval naming thing is a lot more complex than I anticipated! I only asked because I couldn't ever reember seeing the term Navy in relation to them!--Dmon (talk) 17:59, 24 February 2023 (EST)

If I might join in, don't Clan naval forces fall under Toumans as the ground forces do? Having a separate page is good for conciseness, but they organisation-wise they seem to belong with the Toumans. Term-wise, they also usually seem to refer to them as "Naval Reserve" regardless of how they're used (just checking Crusader Clans and the Falcons, Spirits, Adders, Horses, and Wolves use it, and in Warden Clans the Cobras, Coyotes, Bears, Vipers and Wolves-in-Exile use it too, so it seems to be the most common term). Just my two cents. Ismiril (talk) 09:23, 12 March 2023 (EDT)