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==Planet Coordinate Data==
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==Rebecca "Spreadsheet" Taylor==
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Hi Nic. I was looking through the planets that are in the Wiki and noticed that all of them (or at least all the ones I checked) had incorrect coordinates. All of the X and Y coordinates are the same. Looks like it was probably an auto-generation issue, but I wanted to bring it up to see if you would be able to correct it, especially since you have the original data that was used to develop the entries. Thanks a lot! [[User:Bdevoe|Bdevoe]] 17:13, 18 August 2007 (CDT)
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Excuse me Nic, never done this before, but how do I get Rebecca "Spreadsheet" Taylor added to the Canon character's page?  She's my late fiance and in Rec guide 12 [[User:Livewire2112|Livewire2112]] ([[User talk:Livewire2112|talk]]) 21:14, 12 May 2021 (EDT)
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: Thanks Bdevoe, I will determine if I can auto-update the coordinates. [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] 17:18, 2 December 2007 (CST)
 
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::Hi Nic, not sure how active you are right now but I feel a major overhaul to this wiki's stellar cartography is called for. See [[User talk:Scaletail#Stellar Cartography overhaul]]
 
  
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== Vandalism to front page ==
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: Hello, Livewire. I am reasonably sure that if the character is canon (I don't have #12 yet), they will be added in some fashion. However, if you want to prime the pump a bit, and are not familiar with wikis, I'd recommend opening a similar character (maybe from an earlier ''Guide'') and starting an article named [[Rebecca Taylor]], copying all the stuff (text & code) over into the new article, changing everything that doesn't pertain and adding what is needed. Some other Editor will be sure to follow behind and correct any mistakes or add needed info. Good luck, and I'll be looking for the article (and the ''Guide'').--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 21:21, 12 May 2021 (EDT)
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Hi Nic, please take a look at the history of the front page. Two spammers (bots I presume) created user accounts and added a lot of gash to the page. When I tried to protect it I found it was already protected, so I suppose protection is only against edits from non-registered users. Is there anything you can do to totally lock the front page to all but admins? [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 07:44, 8 January 2009 (PST)
 
  
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: I've verified the Main Page is "full protected", as opposed to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semiprotection semi protected].  This means only Admins should be able to edit the front page. Are you seeing any more vandal activity lately? [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] 22:22, 25 January 2009 (PST)
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: Update: [https://www.sarna.net/wiki/index.php?title=List_of_Clan_Invasion_Kickstarter_Characters&diff=prev&oldid=676150 The process has started], Livewire, thanks to [[User:Dmon|Dmon]].--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 22:07, 12 May 2021 (EDT)
  
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== Non-canon content ==
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== Potential issue in File:Götterdämmerung (system) 3151.svg ==
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I do acknowledge and appreciate that this wiki began its life as a fan site. I also acknowledge that Fanon is welcome here. But to be honest, I would rather segregate Fanon material into the newly created Fanon wiki (see front page). The reasons are manifold. Most importantly, I feel that some potential contributors are put off by the prospect of encountering unvalidated Fanon in the articles of the BT Wiki. I have repeatedly explained our policy, and that Fanon is segregated from official/licensed material. But many users seem to expect that a BattleTech Wiki would not contain Fanon at all. To be painfully honest, I do agree with that sentiment, and deep down in my heart disagree with the policy.<br>The reason why I raise the topic here is that you, as the owner and bureaucrat, have the say in this matter as far as I see it, as this is your site. I feel bad about taking Fanon stuff away from the contributors, but the inclusion of Fanon, even if clearly marked, may damage the reputation of the wiki and hinder its evolution into "The" BT wiki - especially if we have people like [[:User:Cray]] contributing here. I therefore suggest to take the step and purge all Fanon articles from here, moving them to the Fanon Wiki instead and keeping them separate in the future. (I can totally live with the proposal being shot down in flames, but felt I had to voice my feelings on the matter.) [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 06:51, 26 February 2009 (PST)
 
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:I'll totally agree with Frabby especially the point about evolution. To be honest I didn't even knew this wiki allows fanon that's why I marked an article for deletion that is fanon.--[[User:BigDuke66|BigDuke66]] 13:06, 26 February 2009 (PST)
 
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::As far as I know, the problems only arise when people don't flag fanon contents as fanon. Maybe that's being done out of ignorance, but even so. And if that would be the case, then I'd rather suggest raising awereness of the <nowiki>{{fanon}}</nowiki> tag. [[User:Onisuzume|Onisuzume]] 04:23, 27 February 2009 (PST)
 
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:::I'm certainly not opposed to the new Wiki for Fanon, if the need exists and people want to create content there.  I do think BTW's <nowiki>{{fanon}}</nowiki> tag works adequately enough; I want people to still be able to post Fanon here as well, if they wish, as long as it is tagged accordingly.  [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] 17:34, 1 March 2009 (PST)
 
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Understood. Just to clear this up, the [http://www.battletechfanon.wikia.com/ BattleTech Fanon Wiki] has already been set up some time ago by a user from this wiki. Next questions:
 
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*Is it okay to actively point people to the Fanon Wiki (through Talk pages)?
 
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*Is it okay to add a notion to the [[:Policy:Notability]] about the Fanon Wiki?
 
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[[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 23:25, 1 March 2009 (PST)
 
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:This leads to another problem: Can other BT-fansites demand that you also link to them, for equal treatment among fans? (I encountered exactly that problem in another SF-wiki.) --[[User:Detlef|Detlef]] 05:04, 2 March 2009 (PST)
 
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::Well, if they link to you, then its only a common courtesy to link back to them I guess. Its also only a small effort to edit to links page. But still, demanding it sounds a bit too... drastic. As for the fanon wiki, my only problem with it is its lack of contents. [[User:Onisuzume|Onisuzume]] 05:32, 2 March 2009 (PST)
 
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:::If we can agree that this wiki should actively seek to promote the Fanon Wiki (in an effort to concentrate on canonical/official content), then I would tag all Fanon articles here with a request to the original creator to port them to the Fanon wiki, and perhaps do it myself (with appropriate credits). That should give the Fanon Wiki some more content to evolve from. Personally, I'd like to see a co-existence of both Wikis with the aim of more clearly segregating Fanon from official products. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 05:48, 2 March 2009 (PST)
 
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::::A co-existence with a clear separation sounds perfect to me.--[[User:BigDuke66|BigDuke66]] 07:31, 3 March 2009 (PST)
 
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:::::My only concern is actively promoting moving content to another site, that after 6 months, has only 6 articles. I wouldn't want to redirect content to a site that's only going to get a portion of the exposure content would get here. [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] 23:47, 27 March 2009 (PDT)
 
  
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Hi Nic. With the upgrade to 1.15, the ParserFunctions extension also needs to be updated. You can download version 1.15.x here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:ExtensionDistributor/ParserFunctions.  Thanks so much for the help! --[[User:Ebakunin|Ebakunin]] 00:34, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 
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: Updated!  Let me know of any other extensions that need to be updated. [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] 03:28, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 
  
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== Other extension suggestions ==
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While reviwing images without category, I found out this one File:Götterdämmerung (system) 3151.svg, which had no category nor information unlike the rest. I remember you have the "macro" that creates them and prepares them and adds a category because I asked this to help clean the [https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Special:UncategorizedFiles "Uncategorized Files"] page. No idea why this one got nuts. I added the information. Maybe it is because of the nice german spelling, but it is not the only planet like this. Hope you can review and thanks in advance!--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 08:23, 5 November 2021 (EDT)
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I know you've been spending a lot of your time updating BTW, but you might want to consider adding these extensions as well:
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: Perfect thanks!  I had to hand-upload that file, because the umlaut caused issues with the initial batch.  I think the rest were OK.  Appreciate you added the category! [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] ([[User talk:Nicjansma|talk]]) 21:07, 8 November 2021 (EST)
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:: No problem. Thanks to you for the macro and all other things you do for this page!--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 11:04, 9 November 2021 (EST)
  
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* [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:NewUserMessage NewUserMessage] - will automatically leave a welcome message for new users. Should make [[User:Revanche|Revanche's]] life much easier :)
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* [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CharInsert CharInsert] - helpful for writing [[KungsArmé]] or adding symbols
 
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Also, if you turn on [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgEnableMWSuggest search suggest] (which would be great), you might want to install the [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TitleKey TitleKey] extension. It allows for case-insensitive suggestions.
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Hi Nik, I've seen that the file with only have this category: [[:Category:Missing copyright information]] do not appear as Uncategorized... unfortunately, there are a lot of files with miss this but also other information and it is quite complex to find which ones only have the missing copyright... as those ones are missing some category else... Is there any way for you to help identify them?--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 08:21, 14 January 2022 (EST)
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: Hey Pserratv!  Sorry I'm not fully following.  You're looking for files that are *only* missing Copyright, but don't have any other categories assigned?  [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] ([[User talk:Nicjansma|talk]]) 14:59, 17 January 2022 (EST)
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::Yes Nick, that it is. I want to see which images are missing a real category as missing copyright is a "commonplace" not a category for me. It is good to know they are missing copyright, but for me it is even more to know which ones are missing a place like being an image of a Free Worlds League character...--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 05:07, 19 January 2022 (EST)
  
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Nic, I really do appreciate all the work you put into the wiki. Thanks a lot. --[[User:Ebakunin|Ebakunin]] 05:20, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
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==Bug with Module:LuaTest==
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Hi Nic,<br>
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[[Module:LuaTest]] shows up as a blue link in [[Special:LonelyPages]], but the page appears to be deleted. Adding it to [[User:Talvin/Project_Orphanage#Technical_Pages]] shows it as a red link, and it does not disappear from the Orphans when that cache refreshes overnight. This is hardly a showstopper bug or even close, but it's odd. [[User:Talvin|Talvin]] ([[User talk:Talvin|talk]]) 10:57, 27 February 2022 (EST)
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: Strange, I couldn't find any way to make it disappear either.  Must be a side-effect of it being a LUA module.  Since it's not affecting anything else (that I can tell) I'll leave it for now, but if there's a pattern of this happening I can dig into it more.  Thanks for bringing to my attention! [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] ([[User talk:Nicjansma|talk]]) 22:26, 22 June 2022 (EDT)
  
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:Ebakunin, all of those links point to TitleKey. I also wanted to say somewhere (so might as well be here) that the site appears much more mobile-friendly now, which was unexpected. Second the appreciation, Nic --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 12:02, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
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::Links are fixed --[[User:Ebakunin|Ebakunin]] 13:12, 3 July 2009 (UTC) {{emoticon|:P}}
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[[:Category:Spanish language products]] is a double redirect, and it looks like it is locked up in the change propagation process since 26 March 2022. It appears to need deletion.--[[User:Talvin|Talvin]] ([[User talk:Talvin|talk]]) 10:15, 14 June 2022 (EDT)
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:::ImageMap is too awesome for words. Can you imagine using the current maps to move to other planet articles? Come on! A lot of work (unless Nic's bot could automate it), but the result would be awesome. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 13:31, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
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: Thanks. I had to set <code>$smwgChangePropagationProtection = false;</code> first, then remove the page. <code>$smwgChangePropagationProtection</code> is now back to <code>true</code>. [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] ([[User talk:Nicjansma|talk]]) 22:32, 22 June 2022 (EDT)
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::::Oh, and to be sure, I am actually serious about every word I just wrote. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 13:52, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 
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:::::Are you suggesting a Project (with a capital P) for this? If so, I'm willing to assist is someone took up the leadership mantle, with guidance. If yes, please start a Project page (or re-focus the [[BattleTechWiki:Project Planets|current one]]) and I'll be along. I'm interested, because I know how involved you are in planetary research and I'd like to conduct a Factory Project, but feel it needs to follow a successful planetary one.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 14:06, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 
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::::::I seem to be very good at starting huge projects that run out of steam long before they are finished. Will adress this one on the Projects Planets as you suggested (and my first point would be to make it into Project Systems), but this is queued in behind my essay about Canonicity in the BT universe... whenever I get going with that proper. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 21:07, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
 
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:::::::Roger that. Feel free to reverse-poke me when you do. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 22:04, 7 July 2009 (UTC) {{emoticon|;)}}
 
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I've also turned on $wgAutoSuggest so you should get auto-suggest for the search box. [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] 18:04, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 
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When you look at the main wikipedia page you see the "On this day..." area. I wonder if something similar would be good for this wiki. Problem is that when I look at the timeline all entries just show the year and not an exact date but I guess exact dates are quiet rare to find.--[[User:BigDuke66|BigDuke66]] 13:28, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
 
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:You hit the nail on the head &mdash; I doubt we have 365 exact dates to work with. In general, the Powers That Be just give us the year. --[[User:Ebakunin|Ebakunin]] 16:01, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
 
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Just had an interesting thought: why not make interwiki links for such things as Sarna's various downloads section? While not really an interwiki link, it just seems right to have local files appear as if they're not sending someone off to an external site. If you deemed it worthwhile you could make a simple script to change all the current instances of "<nowiki>[http://sarna.net/files/</nowiki>''rest_of_path link_text'']" to "&#91;[Download:''rest_of_path''|''link text'']]" without flooding recent changes or the usage of 'bots with the 'bot flag set on their account. I was originally thinking that you might could set it up with 5 interwiki links (data:, designs:, docs:, media:, and programs:, but just plain "download:" would probably cause less confusion. --[[User:Xoid|Xoid]] 17:24, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
 

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Rebecca "Spreadsheet" Taylor[edit]

Excuse me Nic, never done this before, but how do I get Rebecca "Spreadsheet" Taylor added to the Canon character's page? She's my late fiance and in Rec guide 12 Livewire2112 (talk) 21:14, 12 May 2021 (EDT)

Hello, Livewire. I am reasonably sure that if the character is canon (I don't have #12 yet), they will be added in some fashion. However, if you want to prime the pump a bit, and are not familiar with wikis, I'd recommend opening a similar character (maybe from an earlier Guide) and starting an article named Rebecca Taylor, copying all the stuff (text & code) over into the new article, changing everything that doesn't pertain and adding what is needed. Some other Editor will be sure to follow behind and correct any mistakes or add needed info. Good luck, and I'll be looking for the article (and the Guide).--Revanche (talk|contribs) 21:21, 12 May 2021 (EDT)
Update: The process has started, Livewire, thanks to Dmon.--Revanche (talk|contribs) 22:07, 12 May 2021 (EDT)

Potential issue in File:Götterdämmerung (system) 3151.svg[edit]

Hi Nik,

While reviwing images without category, I found out this one File:Götterdämmerung (system) 3151.svg, which had no category nor information unlike the rest. I remember you have the "macro" that creates them and prepares them and adds a category because I asked this to help clean the "Uncategorized Files" page. No idea why this one got nuts. I added the information. Maybe it is because of the nice german spelling, but it is not the only planet like this. Hope you can review and thanks in advance!--Pserratv (talk) 08:23, 5 November 2021 (EDT)

Perfect thanks! I had to hand-upload that file, because the umlaut caused issues with the initial batch. I think the rest were OK. Appreciate you added the category! Nicjansma (talk) 21:07, 8 November 2021 (EST)
No problem. Thanks to you for the macro and all other things you do for this page!--Pserratv (talk) 11:04, 9 November 2021 (EST)

Help with Uncategorized files[edit]

Hi Nik, I've seen that the file with only have this category: Category:Missing copyright information do not appear as Uncategorized... unfortunately, there are a lot of files with miss this but also other information and it is quite complex to find which ones only have the missing copyright... as those ones are missing some category else... Is there any way for you to help identify them?--Pserratv (talk) 08:21, 14 January 2022 (EST)

Hey Pserratv! Sorry I'm not fully following. You're looking for files that are *only* missing Copyright, but don't have any other categories assigned? Nicjansma (talk) 14:59, 17 January 2022 (EST)
Yes Nick, that it is. I want to see which images are missing a real category as missing copyright is a "commonplace" not a category for me. It is good to know they are missing copyright, but for me it is even more to know which ones are missing a place like being an image of a Free Worlds League character...--Pserratv (talk) 05:07, 19 January 2022 (EST)

Bug with Module:LuaTest[edit]

Hi Nic,
Module:LuaTest shows up as a blue link in Special:LonelyPages, but the page appears to be deleted. Adding it to User:Talvin/Project_Orphanage#Technical_Pages shows it as a red link, and it does not disappear from the Orphans when that cache refreshes overnight. This is hardly a showstopper bug or even close, but it's odd. Talvin (talk) 10:57, 27 February 2022 (EST)

Strange, I couldn't find any way to make it disappear either. Must be a side-effect of it being a LUA module. Since it's not affecting anything else (that I can tell) I'll leave it for now, but if there's a pattern of this happening I can dig into it more. Thanks for bringing to my attention! Nicjansma (talk) 22:26, 22 June 2022 (EDT)

Looks like a Bug.[edit]

Category:Spanish language products is a double redirect, and it looks like it is locked up in the change propagation process since 26 March 2022. It appears to need deletion.--Talvin (talk) 10:15, 14 June 2022 (EDT)

Thanks. I had to set $smwgChangePropagationProtection = false; first, then remove the page. $smwgChangePropagationProtection is now back to true. Nicjansma (talk) 22:32, 22 June 2022 (EDT)

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